What’s the deal with Satan?

How is Satan not aware that God is all-powerful, and why doesn’t God do anything about Satan?

Seems suspicious.

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35 Responses to What’s the deal with Satan?

  1. trotter387 says:

    Not at all the bible explains in detail that Satan and the other spirit creatures know that God is almighty however that isn’t what they challenged it is God’s right to rule. Just because God created everything does God have the right to ask for worship and the right to say how the creation should behave?
    To provide time to establish his point Satan required God to wait and let all creatures see the outcome of Satanic governance. 2 Peter 3: 1-16 gives us the timeline.
    So because God is just and not only powerful God allowed that time for Satan to prove his point.
    The interesting feature is no one is forced to believe this you can take it or leave it – you have to examine the bible for yourself, weigh the evidence and make a decision about who you believe.
    The best ruse yet is Satan has convinced people that he doesn’t exist and that God is dead that is why he hasn’t stepped in to stop the suffering. All that is clearly revealed in scripture.

    • jasonjshaw says:

      If they know God is almighty, wouldn’t they know that what they are trying to prove is futile? Though it does seem silly for God to ask for worship unless we are just a game to Him. I doubt an almighty God would need to have His ego stroked.

      It all seems to suggest that if God is loving, He is not all-powerful.

      • trotter387 says:

        Hi Sorry for the delayed response but I have been unwell – I understand your point and to understand the basis for this allowance of time we have to appreciate that Satan never said God wasn’t almighty he claimed God didn’t have the right to ask for worship or recognition for the creation of everything.
        Now if Satan had said God wasn’t powerful enough God would have destroyed him and proved his point but this argument required that others prove Satan wrong both in heaven and on earth. So time is the only way these matters could be handled justly and that is what Satan relied on – God’s Justice.
        So once one person had remained faithful Satan was proven wrong but what Adam had done could not be remedied by a wave of the hand hence the role of Jesus.
        Satan knows it is a futile pursuit now because his time is running out. He was given that period to prove his point he failed and it runs out in the near future.
        So God also has great restraint, self control and patience using this period as 2 Peter 3: 9 explains to provide salvation

      • jasonjshaw says:

        It sounds like Satan does have a point. It is rather egotistical of God to ask for worship or seek recognition in His creation. I wonder what purpose it would serve God to have such recognition? It doesn’t seem to make much sense unless God is a part of a larger society of Gods of other Creations with a goal of achieving great worship. It also seems to call his infallibility into question if He possesses such selfish desires of recognition and worship.

        Hope you get feeling better!

      • trotter387 says:

        Interesting approach Jason – I can see where you are coming from but when you give creation free will and ask for respect not demand it then the outcome is dependent on creation.
        You God could have decided to do absolutely nothing. The real challenge isn’t to judge by our standards but to ask why God didn’t act like us? Then we begin to un-peel another aspect of the conversation.
        A very interesting point

  2. Also, if God is omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and the creator of everything, why did he create Satan in the first place? That doesn’t seem very benevolent, or at the very least suggests he isn’t omniscient (since Satan supposedly starts out as an angel).

  3. It is actually a very thoughtful question asked of this blogger. Theologians and biblical scholars have searched the Bible on this question for centuries. Until I read the Bible a few times, I didn’t really have a foothold on the big picture answer. From cover to cover, the answer is both, in individual passages, as well as in the context of the whole book.

    God is sovereign, so He does not operate on the timetable humans understand and expect. He often visits His judgement and wrath as a teaching tool. As the Alpha and Omega, His perception of when we live and die doesn’t match ours. We really have to deconstruct human benchmarks of perception to soak it in. Of course He knew Satan would fall, but He gave him, and gives us, the opportunity to choose.

    This passage from Jude may put you on the path of finding your answer, and thank you for asking the question.

    5 Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
    6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day-
    7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. http://esv.to/Jude1.5-7

  4. Apparently, Satan enjoys a losing battle and God enjoys the knowledge that he will supposedly always win.

    Of course, you have to question the motives of a creator that would create such a being in the first place. Surely he knew what was going to happen?

    • John Argent says:

      God did not know that Lucifer was going to rebel, although he did of course allow for that eventuality. Like humans, all angels have free will and the capacity to sin. Lucifer was cast to Earth with around one-third of the angels; his name was changed to Satan and the sinning angels became demons. He will remain as the “god” of this world (under the ultimate authority of God) until the prophesised return of Jesus Christ, who will then remove him and establish the Kingdom of God.

      • jasonjshaw says:

        So, God is not all-knowing?

      • John Argent says:

        God grants free will to humans and does not choose to know in advance what they will do, although he does allow for all eventualities. If someone makes a free choice then it must be free and not pre-ordained, otherwise it’s not their choice at all.

      • jasonjshaw says:

        Why would God need to allow for all eventualities? God’s not all-powerful?

      • John Argent says:

        Do you not understand what “free will” means?

      • jasonjshaw says:

        Yes.

        Do you not believe God is all-knowing and all-powerful?

      • John Argent says:

        Of course – but why do you keep asking the same questions?

      • jasonjshaw says:

        Because most Christians believe God is all-knowing and all-powerful. It is a bit shocking and refreshing that you believe otherwise.

      • John Argent says:

        Of course God is all-knowing and all-powerful, but that has got absolutely nothing to do with our “free will” which has been given to us individually to use as we think fit. If God does not “like” how we use it He can of course intervene, but human experience shows that in the vast majority of cases He just lets us decide for ourselves, even if that results in evil actions. As humans are basically carnally-minded and hostile towards God, and do not want Him to interfere in their lives (except on their own terms), this is one reason there is so much evil and suffering in the world.

      • jasonjshaw says:

        Humans wouldn’t want God to intervene? Are you serious?

        Do you know how much of the world believes in God in some way? Why are Christians so excited about Jesus’ return then?

        Those who don’t believe would love to see God intervene to help those who really need help and to demonstrate that God is not just a human invention.

        I would suspect a very small percentage of humanity would not want to bear witness to God taking care of us.

        If there is an all-powerful God, he certainly doesn’t care much about humanity.

      • John Argent says:

        For someone who runs a site called “Chrisitianity Simplifed” I am surprised that your knowledge of both God and Christianity in general appears to be so rudimentary. From the tone of your posts you seem very antagonistic towards God and appear to have atheistic tendencies. Is that correct?

      • jasonjshaw says:

        Neutral God belief would be more accurate, though disbelief in the Christian version of God … while finding value in the story of and teachings of Jesus and having interest in the real story of who Jesus may have been if he did actually exist (which I personally lean toward believing that he did).

      • John Argent says:

        “disbelief in the Christian version of God” but “finding value in the story and teachings of Jesus” and “who Jesus may have been if he did actually exist.” Why on earth is your site called “Christianity Simplified” when you make such contradictory statements and obviously know absolutely nothing about the subject. I think you would be more suited to promoting Islam and following the delusions of Allah and his many followers – they don’t seem to know exactly who Jesus was either.

      • jasonjshaw says:

        Contradictory how so? It is the delusions of Christians that I have had to deal with the most in my life, which is why I sought to find understanding as to why many Christians I have encountered were some of the most selfish people I’ve known.

        Upon study of the faith, I found Jesus’ lead to actually be one of great wisdom and very thoughtful. I also found the supernatural aspects of the story to be more of legend and myth than of anything resembling reality – though I suspect the good, humanity-minded work Jesus actually did earned him such legendary status.

      • John Argent says:

        Jesus said he was the Son of God, and he also performed many miracles, and he also rose from the dead. If you deny all this then you are effectively calling him a liar, a fake, and a fraud – what’s the point in believing in someone like that?

      • jasonjshaw says:

        Only in the Gospel of John is there any clear proclamation of being the Son of God. When questioned about it, Jesus avoids proclaiming such divinity.

        Some translations change it to be consistent with John, as it would be quite odd if the nuance was changed the other way around.

        https://christianitysimplified.wordpress.com/2014/02/21/bible-translation-alert-luke-2270/

        I suspect Jesus never made any such claim, that he only led people to jump to such conclusions.

        Magicians deceive people for a living, and people willingly pay to watch them do that. Does that make them untrustworthy?

        If what I believe is correct, Jesus’ heart was in the right place. He sought to bring change to the corruption connected to the faith in its day. He sought to bring a more humanistic approach. He knew the belief well at an early age according to the Bible, so with 18 more years of study under his belt, he could have come in with a plan. He knew that he would have to work in context with the belief of the time in order to achieve any significant change.

        Of course, we may never know for sure.

      • John Argent says:

        You obviously have a completely misguided understanding of exactly who Jesus was, why he came, and what his true gospel was. However, I will leave you to carry on believing in someone that you don’t really believe in, and to place your faith in someone you consider may have been a total fraud, as I think further discussion will be pointless.

      • jasonjshaw says:

        I take it you have no interest in exploring perspectives that differ from your own.

        You are aware that pride is considered sinful in the Bible, right? James 4:6 refers to it.

        All the best to you.

      • You know that sounds like nonsense, right?

      • John Argent says:

        What sounds like nonsense to me is an atheist discussing a Being who he believes does not exist – how ridiculous is that?

      • Not ridiculous at all. When someone doesn’t believe the mythology of another, it makes perfect sense to discuss it.

      • John Argent says:

        Makes perfect sense to you obviously – I find it hilarious that anyone would wish to spend their time discussing a non-belief.

      • Of course you do. You’d rather we shut up and nod our heads to your ridiculous myths and pretend they make sense.

      • John Argent says:

        I couldn’t care less how you choose to spend your time – if you wish to proclaim your unbelief in God to all and sundry then good luck to you. Showing your ignorance in public obviously appeals to you, but of course you have every right to do so. I just find it laughable, but also quite sad.

      • Thank you for your permission. I find your fairytales laughable and your tales of demons and angels childish. It’s too bad that people are indoctrinated from childhood to believe such childish, harmful nonsense. You’d think we’d outgrow our need for mythological Band-Aids and face reality.

      • John Argent says:

        Reality? From an atheist? Biggest joke ever! I will leave you to your delusions – have a nice day!

      • Because angels and demons are reality, bud. Yup, we are the delusional ones. Lol

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