Faith and Reason are like an Oreo cookie!

I had a little realization while responding a comment to my previous post, a comment that shared a blog post that touches on the connection of faith and reason that I was exploring.

In response, I was going to go for a peanut butter and jam sandwich metaphor, but realized that may not be such a wide-reaching metaphor.  Enter the Oreo cookie!

Oreo cookies are famous in many places around the world with their perfect combination of solid cookie outsides with a soft creamy inside.  You could say reason is understanding based on more solid information which takes more effort to get through, while faith is more sweet, soft, and hopeful.

Now, Oreo cookies seem to strike the perfect balance of these elements to produce a fully enjoyable culinary experience.  But how could an Oreo go wrong?  Not enough creamy filling and the Oreo experience would be rather bland and unfulfilling.  Too much creamy filling and you might rot your teeth, making it difficult to handle the crunchy outside in the future.  Why not instead surround the crunchy with the creamy?  Well, that could make things a little sticky.

What does the Oreo cookie teach us about faith and reason?

For the best possible experience, faith should probably exist within the confines of reason and at a lesser amount …

… but it doesn’t hurt to treat yourself to a few double stuff, double creamy filling Oreo cookies now and then!

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19 Responses to Faith and Reason are like an Oreo cookie!

  1. Perspective Collector says:

    Love how your mind works and the metaphors! Something I need to look into more – I look to analogies automatically, but metaphors are good.

  2. Arkenaten says:

    Simply put, faith is pretending to know something you don’t know.

    • jasonjshaw says:

      Absolutely, and it is essential to the human experience. Though that is why faith should be contained within reason, as hypotheses tend to fare much better in the long run than faith based on imagination.

      If you jump off a cliff flapping your arms expecting to be able to soar like a bird – that’s a big cream-to-cookie ratio. If you use the proper hang gliding equipment in decent conditions, you know there is always a chance something could go horribly wrong, but you take the leap with the faith that the equipment and your abilities to use it will help you soar and land safely. There is still faith involved in this choice but it is contained within reason. I’m sure you will enjoy connecting this metaphor to religious faith!

      • Arkenaten says:

        You are misinterpreting the term ”faith”, especially in your example.
        If you were offered the choice of two types of hang glider; one from a 21st century specialist store or a set of wings similar to those used by Icarus it would be a no-brainer and that has chuff all to do with a decision based on faith but on evidence, or/and a technical understanding of flight.
        You mustn’t pander to spiritual or pseudo religious crap. This just gives ammunition to religious nuts.
        I reiterate: Faith is pretending to know something you do not know.

      • jasonjshaw says:

        Alright, let’s say you were convinced through stories that if you focus hard enough on flapping your arms that you can do it, compared with if you were given the technical details of flight with proper apparatus. Does that make more sense?

        Maybe I should go with making plans to make time to meet up with a friend. There’s a faith-based decision. Point being, there is faith involved in many things we do. Like putting faith in your GPS to get you to where you need to go, or faith in your sense of direction to get you back home from unfamiliar territory. Need I go on?

      • Arkenaten says:

        Once again, you are misinterpreting the word.
        Faith in the manner expressed by christians for instance is not based on evidence.

        I do not believe in faith.
        It is not faith that you believe your GPS will work but the fact you have a working knowledge of how it functions.
        If it breaks down you don’t say, “Oh, God;’s will.”
        So why would would attribute anything approaching a suspension of natural laws that would govern how your GPS works?

        You expect a torch to work if it you have just put in fresh batteries.
        You might express doubt if you knew the batteries were twelve months old.

        Again, faith is pretending you know something you do not know.

      • jasonjshaw says:

        It’s faith in the people who programmed the GPS maps that they did it correctly. I’ve heard many stories of a GPS leading people in strange directions – or faith in technology, that it won’t fail when you need it most! It’s still faith isn’t it?

      • Arkenaten says:

        Not faith. Trust. Trust based on knowledge based on experience.
        You keep wanting to proffer a supernatural element to the word, why?
        If this is the case why not use the term Woman’s intuition or I feel it in my water or ”My star sign says….”
        They all have the same foundation.

        Bertrand Russell noted, “Where there is evidence, no one speaks of ‘faith’. We do not speak of faith that two and two are four or that the earth is round. We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence.”[35]

        Evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins criticizes all faith by generalizing from specific faith in propositions that conflict directly with scientific evidence.[36] He describes faith as mere belief without evidence; a process of active non-thinking. He states that it is a practice that only degrades our understanding of the natural world by allowing anyone to make a claim about nature that is based solely on their personal thoughts, and possibly distorted perceptions, that does not require testing against nature, has no ability to make reliable and consistent predictions, and is not subject to peer review.[37]

      • jasonjshaw says:

        Trust is a belief in the reliability of something/someone. Faith is also a belief – oh, and in the dictionary I am looking at, the word “trust” is used as a definition of belief. They are two words describing the same concept.

      • Arkenaten says:

        Based on evidence….
        Faith is not based on evidence.

      • jasonjshaw says:

        Sure it is, isn’t the Bible evidence?

      • Arkenaten says:

        LOL…now you can’t be serious?

      • jasonjshaw says:

        Ask any Christian!

      • Arkenaten says:

        You are not a christian. And neither am I.

      • jasonjshaw says:

        But the Bible does contain some historically reasonable information doesn’t it?

      • Arkenaten says:

        Reasonable? Such as? Gve me some examples.

      • jasonjshaw says:

        Some of the historical leadership of the time, religious and societal practices of the time – the setting for the events anyways must have some sense of accuracy for it all not to be convincingly disproven to all by now.

      • Arkenaten says:

        Right. Overlaid with enough BS to make roses grow for the next 3000 years.

      • jasonjshaw says:

        It’s definitely a controversial piece of evidence, but evidence nonetheless.

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